Saturday, May 16, 2009

When is Audism Not Audism? - Part 2

Let's move back in time when the Oralism vs Manualism debate was hotter, and the child was mainstreamed or in a deaf school. For the child who was mainstreamed, there were often issues such as being able to follow along with the lesson and classroom discussion including socialization with peers and classmates. In some schools, especially middle, there is a lot of peer pressure, wanting to fit in, and acceptance/rejection. The kids with disabilities could be instantly rejected the day they joined that school and/or bullied to an extent. With deaf kids who had this issue, this was not audism at all. It was plain ignorance and immaturity on the part of the non-disabled kids and in some cases, adults. Bullying can happen anywhere, regardless of disability.

Refer back to my Growing Up Deaf posts parts 18, 19, 20, and 21 on Teasing and Mistreatment. Again, as I said in the previous paragraph, it was not audism.

In Jamie Berke's article, Worse Than Last...Not at All. - A Growing Up Deaf Memory, she talks of being picked last. I had this exact same thing happen to me, not occasionally, but all the time. That is not audism, but a form of social rejection. You could SEE it in their eyes when I was last to be picked, an "oh crap, we got him" look. There was also another HEARING boy who had this same issue, and team captains often debated who to pick! Yet, the gym teacher did nothing, even though they knew about my deafness! I actually had ONE gym teacher stand up to someone who was really giving me trouble! There was another disabled girl who was in the same middle school as I, who was also rejected. So again, it was not audism, but social rejection. Mix that with immaturity and ignorance...

Remember this relay log in An Example of What Deaf Jobseekers Face? That was not audism. It was a recruiter who wasn't familiar with the relay and got intimidated and nervous by the process.

Next: Part 3

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm glad that SOMEBODY is bringing up the fact that not every hearing person is an audist, fer-crying-out-loud.

Many hearing people haven't a damn clue when it comes to meeting or communicating with a deaf person, for starters. OTOH I often wonder do deaf people understand the rarity of the situation when a hearing person meets a deaf person for the first time in his(hearing) lifetime? Consider that the deaf community is very, very, very small compared to the hearing population. It is an opportunity to put the deaf community's best foot forward to educate the hearing, but too often, some deaf people put their foot in their mouths by calling an ignorant hearing person an "audist" instead.

*roll of eyes*

Ann_C

Jean Boutcher said...

Socially audistic.
Athletically audistic.
And other forms of audism.

A learning behaviour from adults --"He wants to play...keep him at bay because he cannot hear a refugee."

"What did Uncle John say?"
"Will tell you later."
"What did Uncle John say?"
"Oh, I cannot remember."

Soon peers and relatves find him a pain in the neck just because he
cannot hear.

Therefore, it has to do with audism.

RSGeo-007 said...

Jean, as I said to the poster in Part 1, your comment makes zero sense. This is blanket audism.

Most likely it's cliques or someone who doesn't want to take the time to communicate with a deaf person or doesn't know how, therefore doesn't even try. I have personally seen this happen also and had it happen to me as well.

Even my family has said they'll tell me something later, and then they tell me what was said, couldn't remember, or I get it from the source. That is not audism.

jimm said...

I've not been too involved in the 'audism or not' debate. But bullying can be in the form of audism. I was one of those mainstreamed hard-of-hearing youths from years ago.

Kids walking behind me, swearing my name, thinking I couldn't hear them:

http://ragingeighthnerve.blogspot.com/2008/03/lately-there-has-been-lot-of-news-about.html#links

Surprisingly, years later, co-workers pulled a similar stunt, as they wanted to see if I was faking it or not.

Its really not a good feeling when these incidents occur.

Deaf SweetMind said...

Deafness.com (forums) won't let me state my comment after I said STOP AUDISM in Deaf Driver issue.. So therefore she is full of audist attitude.

She made her own lame excuses as far as she thinks someone try to violate her blog forum in deafread.com recently.

This is when she talked about after I mentioned STOP AUDISM. That is when I finally realized I am not allowed to speak it out with my own freedom of speech with no violation against the rules that relates the issue of Wisconsin passed the law about passed the law for the insurance within the underage. I disagree the whole concept of what they are trying to do Deaf babies/children's non-choice. Someone who stand up for their Deaf babies/children 's Civil Rights that needs to be protected by a natural Deaf who knows the truth that CI is not concerning to be safe for these Deaf babies/childrens' Mental and Physical health risks in theirlife.

WHAT S THIS ALL ABOUT to stop me from speaking it out the truth? STOP AUDISM people who prevents my freedom of speech.. SCoffs! So therefore AUDISM people are violated my freedom of speech with responsibility.

Thank you!

DeafSweetMind

RSGeo-007 said...

Jimm, bullying has nothing to do with audism. It's always been a form of social rejection and physical domineering using fear. It matters NOT the disability. I have personally seen and heard about incidents where deaf kids have bullied other deaf kids.

Sweetmind, deafness.com? You mean deafness.about.com? Jamie Berke has been getting tired of the "blanket audism" thing. I am too. Again, you are applying audism to anything and everything. In the Deaf Driver thing, you were going so far off topic, that anything off topic she has the right to delete.

Forum operators reserve the right to remove inappropriate or off-topic comments. I should know as I have done this kind of thing over the years and have dealt with people who insist on flouting the rules. So if there is someone who kindly requests that you not do something on a forum, it has nothing to do with free speech. It's about following the requests of the moderator and the rules of the forum.

Dianrez said...

"Audist" can be a nasty word, so should be limited to people who willfully discriminate against deaf people. Example: the fast food employee who slams a window shut on a deaf driver/customer.

Ignorance can be just as hurtful, however. People withdrawing from or avoiding dealing with deaf people can cause serious problems for us.

Sometimes these people can be persuaded to change their behavior; but too often it takes legislation to make them change old habits and perceptions.

The word "audism" can be used in the third person, such as asking for a law or rule of procedure made to avoid audism. Or to teach people in general what audism means. Or to give examples of behaviors to avoid.

Giving it a name makes it more visible and easier to deal with.

Deaf SweetMind said...

Yes, it is in www.deafnessabout.com. Thank you for correcting my human error to type the name of the forum. I don't see any harm for me to point that out the truth. Why bother hiding the truth that is what AUDISM want to get rid of our truths from the past and present for what they treat us like that?

What's more they are making money to lie to many other people who are very innocent and ripped off by AUDISM!

Nice try! RSGeo. These people are full of negative audist attitude since they are allowed to reply without us, Deaf people who are against their violation to overstep our Deaf babies/children's boundary and against our own wills of being deaf from Day one. That is total wrong for AUDISM who thinks they can invade our Deaf souls,minds, and bodies.

It's the first one I ever said it in Deafnessabout.com. It's okay for them to degrade/oppress on Deaf people s natural abilities and adaptation while we cannot say it Audism or Audist attitude.. That s the whole truth how AUDISM treat deaf people that you are allowed it.. OH PLEASE! That is OPPRESSION AND DISCRIMINATION against Deaf people like me. RME!

NO wonder, Deaf people are fed up with their AUDIST attitudes that is the whole answer for me to speak it out and let people know the truth. Deaf cant cant, hearing wanna be who can can can and hearing people can can can while Deaf people with a very positive outlook of being deaf who CANT CANT say anything.. SCOFFS!

This is a real BULLYING/COWARD against our Freedom of Speech in many ways. NOTHING NEW since I was a little gal until now.. It has not changed a bit at all.. Audism people are intending to shut us up completely that as far as I want to say thank you so much for your true colors with your followers all along. Go look at these same people who had their comments that tells you in WISC laws issues in her forum blogs.

Time to STOP AUDISM for these people who needs to grow up and leave us and let our Freedom of Speech alone without being fear against by AGBELL / AUDISM people who thinks they can stop us completely. Guess what I wont give it up as long as I LIVE.

This is our high deman important issue of having these high DEAF SPIRITS for us Deaf people, Deaf babies/ children and Deaf eldery people with a posiive outlook to fight for our Deaf American Civil Right Acts..

Have a wonderful day! :)
DeafSweetMind

Anonymous said...

Yes, it is in www.deafnessabout.com. Thank you for correcting my human error to type the name of the forum. I don't see any harm for me to point that out the truth. Why bother hiding the truth that is what AUDISM want to get rid of our truths from the past and present for what they treat us like that?

What's more they are making money to lie to many other people who are very innocent and ripped off by AUDISM!

Nice try! RSGeo. These people are full of negative audist attitude since they are allowed to reply without us, Deaf people who are against their violation to overstep our Deaf babies/children's boundary and against our own wills of being deaf from Day one. That is total wrong for AUDISM who thinks they can invade our Deaf souls,minds, and bodies.

It's the first one I ever said it in Deafnessabout.com. It's okay for them to degrade/oppress on Deaf people s natural abilities and adaptation while we cannot say it Audism or Audist attitude.. That s the whole truth how AUDISM treat deaf people that you are allowed it.. OH PLEASE!

NO wonder, Deaf people are fed up with their AUDIST attitudes that is the whole answer for me to speak it out and let people know the truth. Deaf cant cant, hearing wanna be who can can can and hearing people can can can while Deaf people with a very positive outlook of being deaf who CANT CANT say anything.. SCOFFS!

This is a real BULLYING/COWARD against our Freedom of Speech in many ways. NOTHING NEW since I was a little gal until now.. It has not changed a bit at all.. Audism people are intending to shut us up completely that as far as I want to say thank you so much for your true colors with your followers all along. Go look at these same people who had their comments that tells you in WISC laws issues in her forum blogs.

Time to STOP AUDISM for these people who needs to grow up and leave us and let our Freedom of Speech alone without being fear against by AGBELL / AUDISM people who thinks they can stop us completely. Guess what I wont give it up as long as I LIVE. This is our importance of having those high DEAF SPIRITS for us Deaf people, Deaf babies/ children and Deaf eldery people.

Have a wonderful day! :)
DeafSweetMind

RSGeo-007 said...

Sweetmind, you're still using audism as a blanket term.

Have you ever had to run a forum or group where you had to remove people who insisted on flouting your rules? I have, and have been moderating groups/forums and chats for many years in many forms. So, let me put this in perspective... If I told you to lay off the audism postings due to complaints and you didn't, I would reserve the right to moderate and/or remove your postings including removing your membership. That is not censorship. It's following the rules.

Yes, you're right about those who discriminate against us and act like they're better than us. Deaf people aren't the only ones they commit this against. Other disabled groups as well.

HOWEVER! Follow along on my next two posts...

Anonymous said...

This is Jamie Berke. I edited Deaf SweetMind's latest blog comment at deafness.about.com to remove the words "Stop Audism!!!" before approving the comment. I will not permit my blog to be taken over by all these people screaming "Audism!"

Deaf SweetMind said...

AND blocked me to state any comments too.. Why didnt you say it aloud you prevent me to state my comment? you dont like it because you are full of audist attitude that shows the true colors and hiding the truth.

STOP AUDISM!!!!! is not a swearing words if you mind.

DEAF SWEETMIND

Deaf SweetMind said...

{{{{"Have you ever had to run a forum or group where you had to remove people who insisted on flouting your rules? I have, and have been moderating groups/forums and chats for many years in many forms. So, let me put this in perspective...: by RSGeo-007.]]]]

Believe it or not! NO I havent if you mind. I don't remove anyone's comment because I want people to see the truth how they treats any Deaf people with a very positive outlook of being deaf with or without disabilities.

I only removed someone who is trying to make money to misuse my previous wordpress blog and created more spams that is all there is to it.

Never mind about chatroom that is total different to approach it.. MIND YOU! You don't know the whole truth how AUDISM with all kind of nicknames to be changed too much, who treats Deaf people in DeafChat site that is a huge hate crime that I have my rights to stop them as the rules says.

LOOK at my www.sweetmindwordpress.com. It shuts down that is when I clicked the spam button by error accident after RICHARD ROEHM is a real fake Deaf Activist of the Deaf community did this on purpose. However I was gonna to put him blocked that is when it got me confused after I did push the button of SPAM. That is when they removed my whole blog after An American Mom in Tuscany: Jordan's Cochlear s complaint against me. I find this is a real dishonest people who did it on purpose. :)

So therefore, it s a must to STOP AUDISM who destroy our imagae of being deaf and our Deaf community if you care enough to understand why I STAND UP AND SPEAK IT OUT very straighforward. NO MIND GAMES for me to deal with anymore.

No more bashing toward hearing people with a very positive attitude about our American Sign Language and their visual languages from their cultures.

So long,
DeafSweetMind

RSGeo-007 said...

Sweetie, understand THIS:

She is a FORUM OPERATOR. She has the RIGHT to do that. She approved it AFTER editing.

Personally, I do not like to edit people's comments, but will do so if I have to. I will not let people take over my forum with certain comments and related things. If you've never had to be a forum/group operator, now is the time to try it.

So, Sweetie, you don't like that? The door is that way. Exit, please. Remember this is my blog.

And, Sweetie-pie, welcome to moderation...

*PLONK!*

Anonymous said...

You know, Sherlock Steve was right in his Blog (theDeafSherlock) that moderation is the KEY word to control the firestorms.

If you, as an author of a blog, allow your blog comments to go as they please to do, like anonymous comments, and watch how the firestorms go, then you lose creditbility.

Moderate these comments, RSGeo, and you'll be better off without the drama like sweetmind has been doing in various blog comments.

and sweetmind, stop using "stop audism" as a glory flag. It's either you be active with the deaf community and help out in the DBC or say nothing at all (that is if you can't say anything nice).

Thank you.

P.S. to Jamie Berke, I do recommend you moderate the www.deafness.about.com throughly. I've been writing to your bosses and telling them that they need to give the guides more control over their comments. about.com has so many firestorms, it's a wonder the whole site hasn't gone nuclear yet!

Deaf SweetMind said...

NO it was there before she even edited my commentn for a while. She made a big lies her reason to have the moderator issue.

To me that is a big false. Maybe in her forum but not in reality. to "approve of an entry after editing is lie saying that she will edit anyone's entry to make it fit her beliefs. They are very dishonest people to make entries fit their beliefs. Scoffs!

RSGeo-007 said...

Sweetie, yes, it was there before she edited, and it was gone afterwards. Read Jamie's comment again above. She did it as she will not allow her forums to be taken over by "stop audism" screamers.

Now, anonymous has a point here. It's become a tiresome thing. Others have tried similar in the past on forums/groups and have gotten their messages removed or severely edited after release from moderation if not died from the meltdown.

So, Sweetie-pie, me dear... Go away. This blog and the deafness.about.com site are now moderated.

These will be my final words to you, Sweetie. You can post all you want on here or you can email me.

MM said...

I am happy I live in the UK where 'audism' is just viewed a mis-spelling of Autism ! It is always a complete mystery to most British what the Americans get steamed up about regarding this term, we did get it covered a few years ago on our sole BSL program SEE HEAR, but a survey found hardly any deaf people who knew or cared about the word. There were one or tow deaf activists who tried to engender interest but they got nowhere. If we deaf in Britain can live our life without worrying about this word, why can't Americans ? We Brits are completely happy to accept 'discrimination' as a term for things that go against us,and no need for another word for it. Deaf in America could save an awful lot of time by following our example.... discrimination IS, it varies not by degree worse because deaf get it. Everyone discriminates in some way or other.

Sherlock Steve said...

Oh wow, sweet-mind, you as nasty as "the TRUTH" that attacked on my blog on xanga.com. It's no sweet-wonder that you are the very one responsible for many of us to become moderators on our blogs. Don't wave the "audism" crap at me. Don't wave the freedom of speech crap at me. Don't even bother at all.
It's clear when you create firestorms, it's going to be when people, who are "anonymous" or people with real blogs, emails and webpages, can collectively groan at the moment the site becomes MODERATED. It means, FIRESTORMS are *STOMPED OUT* and never to see the public light of the day.

My blog, TheDeafSherlock, became Moderated the day it was revived. Yes people yelled and screamed and threatened to take me to civil court for *CENSORSHIP against the ability to leave comments*. They know they had to bluff all they wanted. In the end, I've held FIRM.

So listen, my dear lady, unless you stop creating firestorms, you will see more blogs close in your face and people will *PREVENT* you from accessiblity of leaving a comment. So take that to be a lessson here.

Arthur Nonymous said...

When was the debate "hotter"? The debate now is stronger than ever with CIers taking mainly the same path as oralists. After all, isn't a deafie "supposed" to be oral after implantation? Not all CI-victims can be oral. Especially if there are confounding factors (some of which are not readily apparent).

From my experience the socialization was not impaired by being deaf. On the contrary, I recieved much respect from my peer students and instructors.

If kids with disabilities are "rejected" then it is for reasons *other than* the so-called "disability". Further, it is not "instantly rejected" either. While a significantly small minority may have done so I question the maturity *and* reasoning of those doing so. **Prejudice is learned!** Are people *born* with prejudice against deaf? No! They learn this.


Teasing and mistreatment happen which is a shame. This comes from people who neither respect nor understand Deaf reality. Hence, a product of audism and a contributing factor towards audism.

Audism in itself is a form of social rejection. When someone is rejected on the basis of their functioning differently from the norm then it is social rejection.

If the team captains engaged in stereotyping and rejection then it is the duty of the gym teacher to intervene. What is the purpose of the gym class itself? Is it fitness? Is it social cooperation? Is it both?

Sherlock Steve said...

I want to say this to Arthur Nonymous. You just hit the nail on the head as I have said it my blog.
"Audism in itself is a form of social rejection" (as you said)is in it's purest form.

Much to say it's hard to stop social rejection from happening in all cultures. But none the less, we must cope of what we have and Thank God for real friends we do have.

RSGeo-007 said...

I'll agree with Arthur, but you can't always equate audism with social rejection. It can easily be from just plain ignorance or other kids wanting to be accepted by their non-disabled peers and mistreat the disabled kid.

But, you still said some good things. The kids knew about my hearing loss and knew what I could do, yet chose to use it against me. You may want to read the referenced sections of the Growing Up Deaf posts.

You're correct on it being the duty of the gym teacher to intervene, yet ZERO of them intervened. Gym class was usually called PE, or Physical Education. The purpose of this is fitness and team playing.

Arthur Nonymous said...

Sherlock Steve,

I appreciate you agreeing with me. There are a multitude of social rejections. As you know, many are racial, others are socio-economic, and others still are physical. Because of a lack of space (unless this is my doctoral dissertation LOL) I'm not going to go into the first two. Insdtead I'll focus on the third. However, as I believe you know deafness is not just physical. It is also social and personal. This is how and why other D/deafs I have met elsewhere have "reminded" me of upcoming meetings of the local Deaf Club. Therefore, I had a choice of my response to this individual. Had I chosen to reject his reminder I could have done so. Social rejection takes different forms ans is expressed in different modalities. I could have rejected either this individual and/or his message in an emotionally violent manner. However I did neither. I am fully aware of the benefits of the Deaf community - as well as my personal contributions to it. Both benefit!

We cannot stop social rejection. It is a byproduct of ignorance and self-centered idealology. Social rejection as a product of ignorance cannot be reduced by the use of mechanical devices. In this sense, rejection of deafness as well as D/deaf individuals cannot be rectified by the use of cochlear implants. This is partly so because implanted individuals are *still* deaf! Further, the social rejection of deaf cannot be undone through a mechanical device.

That social rejection happens in all cultures is sad but is no excuse for the social rejection that may occur in the case of D/deaf.

Arthur Nonymous said...

RS-Geo-007,

That I have chosen to equate audism with social rejection is based on a multitude of factors -

- it would seem that any type of "-ism" seems to stereotype

- the worth and dignity of D/deaf individuals is not dependent upon any manufactured device

- audism is based upon a misunderstanding of D/deaf persons

- with the increase in understanding of different types of deafness the carte blanche' rejection of these in favor of something manufactured is based upon ignorance

"It can easily be from ignorance" Both audism and social rejection are byproducts of ignorance. What *is* audism if not social rejection? True, it is also personal rejection. However, one form of rejection does not rationalize another. Hence, both social rejection and personal rejection are only increased through the forced use of devices in terms of D/deaf persons.

If the other kids used your deafness against you in order to reject you then they have engaged in emotionally violent behavior and attitudes. They could have chosen to use any other factor as a means by which to engage in the conformist attitudes and behaviors. Hence, they used choice in order to decide who and/or what to approach and/or avoid.

This type rejection is not based on an understanding of D/deaf. Indeed, any type of rejection of D/deaf is not based on understanding what and who is involved in being D/deaf. That multi-dimensional human beings are involved in being D/deaf is a rejection of devices and the mind-set that leads to them.